From:                              Jonathan Beers [j_beers@hotmail.com]

Sent:                               Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:20 PM

To:                                   Rhodes-Conway,Satya; Hoffman, Jeanne; dmosiman@madison.com

Subject:                          Green roofs requirement in Madison Sustainability Plan

 

Hi Satya, Jeanne and Dean, 

 

I read Dean Moisman's article about Madison's Sustainability Plan, and support most of the provisions. However, I'm skeptical about the green roof requirement. I'd rather see performance requirements for energy consumption and water runoff.

 

Have you seen the writings of green roof skeptics? Here's an excerpt from "Prioritizing Green - It's the Energy Stupid" by ASHRAE fellow Joe Lstiburek. I'm an energy-efficiency professional, and Lsitburek is well-regarded in the building science world (and is known for his provacative style). Roofs have traditionally been a way to shed water. Green roofs hold water, and are expensive to do right. (See Fig. 2-3 in the article for illustrations.)

 

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From:    http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-007-prioritizing-green-it-s-the-energy-stupid?topic=doctypes/insights

 

Dr. Joe Lstiburek wrote: 

 

"Green roofs? Grass and dirt are not energy efficient.

 

Work with me here. Which saves more energy—2

inches of dirt or 2 inches of insulation? Which saves

more energy—grass or a white colored membrane?

 

Which is more expensive and does not save energy—

grass and dirt or insulation and a white colored

membrane? Which needs to be watered to keep the

grass from dying and blowing away? But they are

beautiful and look cool. And that apparently is more

important than cost and energy savings. Okay, I can

live with the beautiful and looking cool argument if

that is in fact the argument—but don’t clutter it with

half-truths such as heat island effects and water runoff.

There are other ways to deal with each.

 

I know I will not win the argument on green roofs, so

my advice is to at least build the green roofs correctly."
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I've toured the green roof at the EPA's Denver headquarters, and spoken with a City of Chicago engineer about their green roofs. It's easy to do green roofs wrong, and hard to do them right. I support plans that will achieve low energy consumption and reduced runoff, rather than prescribing green roofs as the solution to those problems.
 
Sincerely,
 
Jonathan Beers
534 Maywood St.
249-9976  home
j_beers@hotmail.com